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Post by Trad on Oct 12, 2015 9:49:17 GMT -5
That begs the question of how little faith does Holgorsen have in Crest and the 2 freshmen. Howard has every weakness a QB could gave. He's short, slow, weak-armed, makes poor decisions and is easily rattled. The last 2 games he looked completely overmatched physically and on the verge of panic mentally and we haven't even tried someone else for a series or 2.
Even granting that the others might have problems mastering the offense and getting the plays and formations called at the tempo Holgorsen wants (and why in the fuck would we want to play fast with this offense?) how could it not be worth the risk of just trying someone else? It's not as if turnovers and 3 and outs would be something new to deal with.
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Oct 12, 2015 11:48:17 GMT -5
Probably not an issue anymore since we got Crest hurt as a decoy.
Sadly I think we play a tiny bit better fast...Skyler doesn't have time to think about what he's forgetting to do or shit his pants. Unfortunately he needs to make plays at the beginning of a drive to get into fast mode, and that hasn't been his strong suit.
Then again, whose bright idea was it for our equipment managers to coat our footballs with bacon grease Saturday???
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Post by Trad on Oct 12, 2015 12:01:33 GMT -5
Crest is out?
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Oct 12, 2015 12:07:52 GMT -5
Dunno, but he went out Saturday night holding his right shoulder trying to recover one of the fumbles. Should help his passing this week.
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Post by RanDaddy on Oct 12, 2015 14:46:20 GMT -5
It's fairly obvious that Holgy doesn't trust Crest to run the team. Think about it: Holgy announced that Howard was his QB back in what, February? Also, he experimented with Crest everywhere BUT QB all Spring and well into Fall practice until he decided he had no back-up QB with the Freshmen and brought Crest back to "get some snaps and be prepared to be the back-up QB".
Maybe the Freshmen haven't grasped the offense? From what I read/hear Chugnov is the likely more prepared QB than Stills.
Either way, I said in the beginning and I say now that Howard is merely a placeholder until either Chugnov or Stills grasp the offense enough to start...
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Post by Trad on Oct 12, 2015 14:57:39 GMT -5
But why not "dumb down" the offense and just see for at least a series or 2 what one of them can do in a game situation?
See if someone can make a few throws and five us some spark. As I said before, it would seem the last thing we want to do right now is go uptempo. Slow it down enough so that the younger QB can get the playcall and communicate it. Who cares if Howard is better at getting the call right and/or checking into the other option if he can't throw the pass?
What's the worst that could happen? It's hard to imagine anyone else could be much worse and if he is then it's really no big deal if we burn his redshirt and then have to go back to Howard.
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Post by Trad on Oct 12, 2015 15:30:57 GMT -5
Some more negative energy:
Our record against Big 12 minus Kansas and ISU: 7-16
Our Big 12 record post-Texas 2012: 9-18; Excluding KU and ISU 5-16.
Our overall record post Texas 2012: 16-22.
Power 5 record post Texas 2012: 11-22; excluding KU, ISU and Maryland: 5-19.
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Oct 12, 2015 15:36:17 GMT -5
But we helped get a rival coach fired, so we've got that going for us.
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Post by Trad on Oct 12, 2015 15:47:32 GMT -5
You have to look pretty hard to find Power 5 teams other than Maryland that don't historically struggle that are in worse shape than us right now.
Nebraska is 2-4; Ga. Tech is 2-4; ; SC and Arkansas are both 2-4; Oregon is 3-3.
I don't know that we could beat any of them right now though.
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Post by Trad on Oct 12, 2015 16:10:55 GMT -5
From 1980-2010, we ranked 18th overall in WP among P5 + ND (and just behind ND).
From 2011-2015 we've ranked 41st (that's including the 10-3 in 2011).
2012-2015: 47th.
And with exception of 2004-2011 we played as tough schedules as we do now.
So, looking at 1980-2003: 24th.
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Post by Trad on Oct 14, 2015 13:20:00 GMT -5
Cignetti, 1976-1979, versus Power 5, 8-23
Nehlen, 1980-1984, versus Power 5, 27-16 ( despite a a 2-5 his first year)
Rodriguez 2001-2005, versus Power 5, 20-20 (despite a 1-7 his first year)
Stewart 2008-10, versus Power 5, 14-7
Holgorsen 2011-present, versus Power 5, 18-24 (despite his only winning record---4-3--- his 1st year)
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Post by sdot on Oct 14, 2015 14:52:38 GMT -5
That sounds almost right. If I were to rank our past five head coaches it would be this:
Nehlen Rod Holgthorpe Cignetti Stewart
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Post by Trad on Oct 14, 2015 15:03:25 GMT -5
Matchups:
Versus:
FCS-- 5-0 non-power 5 6-0
Power 5: Weak: Rutgers 1-0 Maryland 3-1 #(2013) Kansas 2-1 #(2013) ISU 2-1 #(2013) Syracuse 0-2 # (2011, Syracuse actually didn't totally suck the Pinstripe year but they fit in weak)
19-5 above here, That's not stellar, but all teams get upset sometimes, and we do have some upsets of our own to offset the bad losses.
Decent or better: Pitt 1-0 Clemson 1-0 * (2011) Baylor 2-1 * (2014) OSU 2-2 * (2013) Texas 1-2 *(2012, not as good in retrospect but was big at the time) TCU 1-2 TTU 1-2 KSU 0-3 Oklahoma 0-4 Texas A&M 0-1 Alabama 0-1
(9-18 against this group is the crux of the problem. That's not near a tough enough slate to justify a .333 winning percentage. It's even worse, 6-15, .285 winning percentage, from 2013 to date. Maybe, just maybe, you could rationalize being below .500 in those games but winning less than 1 out of 3 over a fairly long stretch of time is simply not acceptable.
* = win against a strong team # loss to weak team
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Post by Trad on Oct 14, 2015 15:06:48 GMT -5
If I were to rank our past five head coaches it would be this:
Nehlen Rod Stewart Holgthorpe Cignetti
You can downgrade Stewart some because he played the easiest schedules, but not that much. Results matter.
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Oct 14, 2015 15:06:57 GMT -5
OK boys, bring it back to the present. We've beat up Zombie Stew vs. Drunk more than enough, do we really need to go back to Cignetti? If so Greasy Neale sucked donkey balls.
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Oct 14, 2015 15:07:19 GMT -5
Don't make Dickrod quote the Lion King again.
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Post by Trad on Oct 14, 2015 17:04:42 GMT -5
The present summed up: Holgorsen sucks.
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Post by sdot on Oct 14, 2015 17:25:00 GMT -5
I'm not down on him as much as a game coach this year. He is running the ball successfully and calling good plays. He just doesn't have a QB which is also his fault.
He has improved leaps and bounds over his first couple of years..
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Post by Trad on Oct 14, 2015 17:43:02 GMT -5
Improved by leaps and bounds does not exclude still sucks.
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Oct 14, 2015 18:37:25 GMT -5
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Post by HuffNfeffeR on Oct 15, 2015 8:22:02 GMT -5
This QB thing is the problem. And it's impossible to overlook. The fact is that since he got here, he almost broke Geno and he had probably the two best receivers we've ever had on the field at the same time.
Then his QBs have been Paul Millard, Ford, Skylar and Clint. I mention Clint last because he was a guy with Morgantown roots that lost his other big time job and came home. I think Daner was probably more coincidental than anything.
So the people he has brought have really been terrible.
Daner is and was always creative. He adapted in OSU with that TB and playing that diamond formation. And like all good OCs he is able to make halftime adjustments. He will be a really good OC at his next job.
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Post by Trad on Oct 15, 2015 8:43:26 GMT -5
IF someone else provides him with players. The thing he is good at is finding and exploiting favorable matchups. When we don't have that his offense is pretty stagnant and inefficient. Can he get more out of an Austin or White than many other OCs would? Yeah, I'll five him that, but in the situation where you have relatively even matchups talent-wise, I don't know that he is even average. I do agree with Scott that he has improved in that regard, but he's still nothing special-- and that's viewing him as an OC. As a head coach overall he puts us at a disadvantage.
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Post by lonepalm on Oct 17, 2015 10:41:37 GMT -5
It's game day boys!! Let's goooo..ah screw it. Let's just get this over with.
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Post by matt on Oct 17, 2015 11:16:00 GMT -5
Points and then points.
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Post by matt on Oct 17, 2015 11:20:17 GMT -5
Apparently i just like to complain about everything, but.... ...do you guys like games with no defense?
At least the offense can look good, i guess.
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Post by prestonco on Oct 17, 2015 11:27:11 GMT -5
I don't like games with no defense for this team. There's no way a Skler Howard led offense can keep up with Baylor, I don't care how bad their defense is.
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Post by matt on Oct 17, 2015 11:31:10 GMT -5
Oh my no.
This game is going to end up like 90-30.
At least, Baylor will score a td every posession and wvu might get a couple more.
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Post by matt on Oct 17, 2015 11:37:33 GMT -5
Punts are happening. Im confused.
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Post by prestonco on Oct 17, 2015 12:01:40 GMT -5
Skyler Howard touchdown passes are happening. I'm even more confused.
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Post by prestonco on Oct 17, 2015 12:02:14 GMT -5
And why is David Sills, our 4th string quarterback, playing WR?
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