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Post by RanDaddy on Feb 26, 2016 21:25:52 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/254964444. Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia: Holgorsen doesn't find himself standing on the firmest of ground. The athletic director who hired him, Oliver Fucking Luck, now works for the NCAA and has been replaced by Shane Lyons. Following the 2015 season, Lyons didn't exactly throw a ton of support behind Holgorsen, and just last week it was announced that contract extension talks between the school and Holgorsen had broken down. Reading the tea leaves, it sure seems like Holgorsen is coaching for his job in Morgantown this season, and it's understandable. While things got off to a great start in Holgo's first season -- the Mountaineers went 10-3 and won the Orange Bowl -- the four years of life in the Big 12 haven't been as successful. West Virginia has gone 26-25 overall since joining the Big 12, and only 15-21 in conference play, never finishing higher than fourth place. Without a step forward in 2016, there's a good chance a change will be made.
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Post by matt on Feb 27, 2016 14:25:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't describe anything about Mountaineer football as "hot."
Fire Holgerson, don't fire Holgorsen....doesn't matter. The past is history, the future is a mystery, but today is a gift, thats why they call it the present.
I don't care if he coaches his team to a good record next year, the fact that he has failed to recruit any good players to be on it is good enough reason to fire his dumb ass and hire someone else with even less experience and skill to replace him and end up with the exact same record over time.
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Feb 27, 2016 17:15:29 GMT -5
I don't care if he coaches his team to a good record next year, the fact that he has failed to recruit any good players to be on it is good enough reason to fire his dumb ass and hire someone else with even less experience and skill to replace him and end up with the exact same record over time. You were saying? bit.ly/1QbBqWz |
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Post by sdot on Feb 27, 2016 23:12:32 GMT -5
I'm interested to hear trads thought on head coach tony Gibby.
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Post by prestonco on Feb 28, 2016 2:50:43 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Feb 28, 2016 8:33:37 GMT -5
I'm interested to hear trads thought on head coach tony Gibby. Just considering this very possibility might make him have a grand mal seizure. |
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Post by Trad on Feb 28, 2016 15:05:31 GMT -5
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Post by RanDaddy on Feb 28, 2016 19:45:31 GMT -5
So, the Gibby Theory got me to thinking. Maybe this isn't a bad scenario? Consider the following proposed staff...
HC -- Tony Gibby
Asst. HC/Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers -- Jeff Casteel (Defensive continuity. Same system. Proven Defense)
Asst. HC/Offensive Coordinator -- Shannon Dawson/Jake Spavital (Offensive continuity. Same system. A freer reign to call plays.)
Offensive Assistants:
WR -- Lonnie Galloway (Great recruiter. Wants to be at WVU.)
OL -- Ron Crook (Great OL Coach. Continuity)
RB -- Ja'Juan Seider (Florida recruiting connection. Also wants to be at WVU)
Defensive Assistants:
DL -- Bruce Tall (Great recruiter. Wants to be at WVU)
Corners -- David Lockwood (Great recruiter. Proven commodity. Works well with Casteel.)
Safeties -- Matt Caponi
Need to find a Special Teams Coach...
So that's continuity, a more popular HC that the State of WV rallies around = fans coming back.
May work?
Your thoughts?
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Feb 28, 2016 19:58:09 GMT -5
Gibby, rallied around by this state? Doubtful
Casteel? I doubt he comes back.
Dawson? He's not going to leave Kentucky, and we don't know if he's any good since he didn't have to do anything for years here.
Overall staff? Meh. Average coaches, multiple retreads. If we get a new head coach I say we burn the house down, salt the earth, and start fresh. That guy's QB is not enrolled yet, and our defense is going to suck even more ass this year replacing the entire secondary.
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Post by RanDaddy on Feb 28, 2016 20:16:45 GMT -5
Gibby, rallied around by this state? Doubtful Casteel? I doubt he comes back. Dawson? He's not going to leave Kentucky, and we don't know if he's any good since he didn't have to do anything for years here. Overall staff? Meh. Average coaches, multiple retreads. If we get a new head coach I say we burn the house down, salt the earth, and start fresh. That guy's QB is not enrolled yet, and our defense is going to suck even more ass this year replacing the entire secondary. Gibby is a WV boy and most West Virginians have proved they like good ol' WV boys Casteel needs a job. Come back home to WV without Boo Boo? I think he'd do it in a heartbeat Dawson? News flash...he was fired from Kentucky and is now on a one year contract at Southern Miss Spavital is on a one year deal at Cal as well, so he might not come back east... NOTE! THIS IS NOT MY PREFERENCE FOR A STAFF. THIS IS JUST BASED OFF OF THE ARTICLE AND DOING MY BEST KRESKIN IMITATION AS TO WHAT LYONS MIGHT BE THINKING... |
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Feb 28, 2016 20:26:15 GMT -5
Yeah, but Gibbie was Dickrod's bitch boy and his return was not exactly filled with open arms. We came around because his defense was doing good things better than _eFore__, but I have a feeling that's going to come to a crashing halt this year.
Luck could have salted the earth, but he wound up tinkering around the edges after hiring Drunk, and each year thereafter has been a series of tinkers. I have to hope that Lyons, coming from a successful department, has bigger stones than Fucked did when it comes to the moneymaking programs.
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Post by RanDaddy on Feb 28, 2016 20:32:21 GMT -5
Yeah, but Gibbie was Dickrod's bitch boy and his return was not exactly filled with open arms. We came around because his defense was doing good things better than _eFore__, but I have a feeling that's going to come to a crashing halt this year. Luck could have salted the earth, but he wound up tinkering around the edges after hiring Drunk, and each year thereafter has been a series of tinkers. I have to hope that Lyons, coming from a successful department, has bigger stones than Fucked did when it comes to the moneymaking programs. And I agree with you completely. I hope that Lyons cleans house, brings in a group of coaches that can make us more competitive in the Big XII, and we can challenge for conference championships. But... I don't think that happens. My reasoning is this: It has been proven over the years that coaches/assistant coaches discover that recruiting to WVU is not easy and we don't get the big-time 4 & 5 star kids other programs get. Our program relies on being able to get good 3 and occasionally a 4 star or two recruit, develop them, and then catch lightning in a bottle once they become juniors & seniors. Furthermore, a lot of coaches don't like Morganhole/the State of WV. They can't wait to bolt for greener pastures. So...having a WV native coaching with guys who WANT to be in WV may make sense. I'm not sure it's Gibby, but I think there has to be a WV tie to get/keep a good coach here. Oh, and one more thing...If you look at Holgorson, he was NEVER considered a great recruiter or a developer of talent. He made his name by coaching 4 & 5 star talent that someone else recruited. His downfall (among many) here at WVU is that he can't develop a 3 star into a 5 star QB. He had ONE good QB (Geno) and got a pretty good season out of him. After that, we've had marginal at best QB's that have heart but not talent. |
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Post by RanDaddy on Feb 28, 2016 20:42:25 GMT -5
And in regard to Luck...
Oliver Fucking Luck never intended to stay at WVU or actually build a program (MHO). He was brought in here for two reasons...
1) To be the bad guy and get rid of Pastilong's messes (Stewy, other coaches)
2) To get us into a Power 5 conference. Face facts: We knew the ACC/Big 10 wasn't going to take us so we had to either hope the SEC would or the Big XII. Luck had Big XII ties and influence and got us out of purgatory (Big East) and into the Power 5. He bailed as soon as he could after that.
My opinion is he hired the wrong guy to replace Stewy, but Stewy had to go. No Power 5 school was going to take us with Mr. Magoo on the sidelines. Holgorson had a "name" in the Big XII as an offensive guru and his hire was meant to show the other schools in the Big XII that we were serious and could hire one of "their kind of guys".
Holgorson is probably going to end up as a pretty good OC, but he doesn't have the makeup to be a good HC. Some guys can make the transition, some can't. (see Will Muschamp/Florida and eventually South Carolina, Gene Chizik (Iowa State and Auburn). It's not the end of the world, some guys are just not meant to be Head Coaches.
Think about this: If Bud Foster was really a HC candidate, wouldn't he have been the logical choice in Blacksburg to succeed Beamer? Bud has a thin skin and no personality, which is not a formula for a successful HC.
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Post by HuffNfeffeR on Feb 29, 2016 8:35:53 GMT -5
Gibby
Without knowing his contract it's silly to think that Shane is setting Gibby up. I guess if his contract said if Dana is fired Gibby can't be considered for HC then yeah maybe that makes sense. But it sounds more like he is teeing him up to the the DC for some new coach, maybe someone he once worked for.
Dana
Being a HC is more than just knowing about X's and O's. You have to know them, develop a good scheme, manage staff, identify recruits, recruit, raise money etc. And also be a politician and coalition builder.
I think Dana didn't have the personality that helped him with the politics and coalition building (and maybe money raising). He clearly has been unable to attract the talent we thought he would, particularly at QB. So while he sits on top of an interesting offensive scheme, translating that to consistent success has been hard for him.
I would argue that if you want to be a conspiracy theorist, the move Shane made opened the door for a new head coach that would want Gibby more than making Gibby the HC. Rich and Gibby are buddies and so I would argue that this move is more RichRod related.
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Feb 29, 2016 8:43:26 GMT -5
FWIW I have co-workers with strong ties to Arizona and they all think Rich is on his way back.
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Post by sdot on Feb 29, 2016 9:05:12 GMT -5
Which of these did stew have?
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Post by Energy Vampire on Feb 29, 2016 9:44:45 GMT -5
Stew was the total package. You got it all, and enough oil to lubricate the world
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