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Post by RanDaddy on Feb 17, 2016 19:08:39 GMT -5
...turn to ESPN2 and watch Villanova and Temple play! They've made it to the first TV timeout and there has been only ONE foul called, and that was a blatant charge. They are playing basketball the way it was intended to be played, not that crap that we are subjected to in the Big XII from officials who seem to get withdrawal symptoms if they don't blow the whistle every few seconds for a crap foul call!
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Post by RanDaddy on Feb 17, 2016 19:47:33 GMT -5
Think I'm joking about this? Here's from the Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics Department of the VBL2
Villanova 4 fouls committed in the entire first half...5-7 from the free throw line
Temple 7 fouls committed in the entire first half...0-1 from the free throw line
11 total fouls, 8 total foul shots
Hell, we have that against us before the first TV timeout most games!
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Feb 17, 2016 21:47:34 GMT -5
I don't think anybody in the country mugs like we do.
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Post by RanDaddy on Feb 18, 2016 7:59:02 GMT -5
I don't think anybody in the country mugs like we do. Honestly, I don't think the Big XII officials know how to call a WVU basketball game. We play with such ferocity and are constantly in the face of the opponent, I think they just call what they think they might see. Also, I think our reputation (fair or unfair) plays against us. I think the officials get together before the game and say "Ok, WVU is playing tonight. Let's call it close and not let this game get out of hand..." which is PURE BS! |
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Post by RanDaddy on Feb 18, 2016 8:08:39 GMT -5
And to follow up in the "Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics" portion of this thread...
Second half stats:
Villanova 10 fouls and 10-11 from the free throw line
Temple 9 fouls (most of those late in the game) and 9-13 from the free throw line
In this game, only one person had 3 fouls, most had either 1 or 2.
They played rough and the refs let them play!
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Feb 18, 2016 9:22:18 GMT -5
First, I don't think there's such a thing as "Big XII refs". I'm pretty sure they're contractors who work multiple conferences each week.
Second, we do play with ferocity and are constantly in the face of our opponents, so much so that we do fuck up and (gasp!) actually foul. A lot. If they really wanted to, the refs could legitimately empty our bench in the first half every night. We do have a reputation, and we've earned it. I'm as homer as the next guy, but I'm also a realist.
This isn't the "good old days" - the whole point of basketball was free movement and minimized contact. Just because the Big East stressed to the refs "let 'em play" doesn't mean it was right. Yes contact is inevitable, especially in the paint and the screen is a legal play, but our press is intentionally bumping and holding guys 50-75-90 feet from the basket. Our guys play with their hands on the inbounds and are lucky more whistles aren't blown.
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Post by Trad on Feb 18, 2016 10:01:36 GMT -5
I think there is a middle ground between the scrums that BE basketball could be at times and the "let's call every damn hand check regardless of whether it impeded the offensive player" approach we see a lot n the Big 12.
Especially if a game shows even a slight bit of potential hostility the "people officiating Big 12 games" go overboard with the whistles.
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Post by IMG Public Relations on Feb 18, 2016 11:14:57 GMT -5
Especially if a game shows even a slight bit of potential hostility the "people officiating Big 12 games" go overboard with the whistles. My biggest gripe with our team (and I'll start with Yogi) is that we either (a) have no idea how to adjust in-game to the whistles being called, (b) don't five a shit about how the whistles are being called. I understand the concept of be true to who you are and do what you do best, but you can't do your best sitting on the bench in foul trouble after watching the guy before you get called five times for doing the same damn thing. Should refs whistles be consistent? Absolutely, but they're not (and with the sheer number of games and officials they're never going to be) so the onus is on the teams and coaches to adapt. There was a game earlier this year where we all praised Yogi for managing his lineup effectively through horrific foul trouble that (I think) we won, but one of his main jobs as coach is to try and keep his guys from getting into that situation in the first place. |
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